Monday, December 14, 2009

Warmest ever, or getting cooler?

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You might hear climate change "deniers" saying recent temperatures show global cooling. But then you hear climate "deceivers" say the last 10 years were the warmest on record. Who's right?

They both are.

That is, IF you accept, say, the NASA/GISS Global Annual Mean Surface Air Temperature Change (land-ocean mix) as the "true" global temperature.

But what you'll never hear in the MSM, is that the data NASA provides are not raw temperature readings or even simple averages of temperature readings. They are adjusted, quality-controlled, homogenized and fudge-factored in ways we don't know and they're not telling.
[why not? so much for 'peer review' - snip]


The chart below shows recent annual temperatures. The 2009 data point is biased on the high side, since it is the average through October only, thus missing November's and December's cooler readings. (The temperature is the "anomaly", or the difference from the 1951-80 average.)



But even taking NASA's adjusted and homogenized data {such as The 2009 data point is biased on the high side, since it is the average through October only, thus missing November's and December's cooler readings} at face value, then the prior 10 years ending in 2007 were the hottest on record - again, as 'factored' {read: fiddled with} by NASA.

But look at the graph. It looks like temperatures might have peaked recently, maybe in 2005. In fact, the linear regression trend line of these data points is down since 2002. (If 2009 is excluded, the trend line is down since 2001.) The globe has been getting cooler for the last 8 years.

Even using deceiver-generated 'data', it's the 'deniers' who are supported by it once again.

[Again and again - for two decades now - ALL 'scientific evidence' promoted by the deceivers doesn't bear examination to true scientific standards. It's all a shell game folks, for the usual reasons - power and money, in amounts previously unimaginable.]

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What climategate really tells us

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Al Gore and the rest of the die-hard climate deceivers are huffing and puffing that nothing in the e-mails and documents that were hacked or leaked from the Climate Research Unit in England have any bearing on what we know about climate change or the political response we should make to deal with it.

The entire matter is settled science, don’t you know — nothing to see here, move along... [snip]

One of the several scandalous revelations of the Climategate e-mails is that this claim of consensus was and is a lie.

It turns out many of the deceivers in the CRU inner circle had doubts and disagreements about their own 'data', methodology and conclusions, and often bickered with one another about defects in their projections...

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Vindicating climate change skeptics

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Ever since the UN-based Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change adopted the view, following the 1992 Rio Summit -- also known as the Earth Summit -- that global warming is caused by the human activity of burning fossil fuel, scientists skeptical of this view have sought to caution governments and the public about the unsettled nature of the science of climate change.

But the voices of skeptics went unheeded as the environmental or "green" agenda-driven science of the IPCC, backed by a host of governments and bought by the media, brought us the 1997 Kyoto Protocol and now the Copenhagen conference with a much more ambitious agenda as a follow-up to the Kyoto treaty.

The recent revelations -- now known as Climategate -- of how proponents of man-made global warming fudged and manipulated temperature data at the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit in the U.K. to back the IPCC claim confirms the skepticism of many scientists for more than a decade...

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Delegates freeze as snow falls on global warming debates

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Democrats create health care horror

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The Senate health reform debate is well under way. Democrats have promised that this bill and its companion measure in the House will accomplish three major things: Extend health coverage to the uninsured; provide those who already have insurance with better health care choice; and cut health costs.

In truth, both bills fail on all these counts...

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From Awful to Worse

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Harry Reid's medical malpractice

The Obama administration and congressional Democrats long ago gave up any pretense of working to rationally reform American health care. The exercise now underway in the Senate is a mad dash to get to 60 votes, and nothing more. That's why some Democratic senators who had no idea exactly what is in the "breakthrough deal" announced by majority leader Harry Reid last week immediately hailed it as a milestone. They're for anything that creates a sense of "momentum" and "inevitability."

But the substance does matter. If Congress passes something in the end, ordinary Americans know they will have to live with it. And from those voters' points of view the latest effort to strike a compromise among Senate Democrats would, based on press reports of what it involves, take the horrendous bill offered by Reid earlier this month and make it even worse.

It would spend hundreds of billions on a new entitlement even as our debt is mounting, inflict massive tax increases on a troubled economy, impose costly mandates on employers at a time of high unemployment, squeeze money out of Medicare without fixing the program, insert the government in countless new ways between doctors and patients, and cause millions of middle-class families to lose the employer-based insurance they have today and pay even higher premiums.

But in one crucial respect, the new proposal is far worse than the last one...

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POLL: 41% Support Health Care Legislation, 53% Oppose

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Those figures include 22% who Strongly Favor the plan and 40% who are Strongly Opposed.

With the exception of a few days following nationally televised presidential appeals for the legislation, the number of voters opposed to the plan has always exceeded the number who favor it.

While advocates say the plan is needed to control the cost of health care, 56% of voters now say it will have the opposite impact and push prices even higher. Just 17% believe passage of the plan will lead to lower costs.

Fifty percent (50%) believe passage of the legislation will lead to a lower quality of care while just 18% believe the care will get better.

[Yet it will be passed anyway - because its not really about health care.]



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Tottering

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The Reid bill is really tottering now.

"If this thing falls apart, you can look back to today as the tipping point,"

says a Republican aide in the Senate, echoing what Lamar Alexander notes in the Costa post below. First, there was last night's CNN poll showing 61 percent opposition. Then, there was the devastating CMS report today.

"Nobody went to the floor that I could see to defend it on the Democratic side,"

says the aide. Even Bill Nelson says the Medicare buy-in is basically a "non-starter."

"You're starting to see other Democrats nibbling around the edges,"

the aide says. He predicts that if one Democrat comes out clearly against the Reid bill, others will follow, in a dynamic like the unexpectedly decisive defeat of the amnesty bill a few years ago.

Since the Senate debate began, the bill has only gotten more unpopular. It’s all still in flux obviously, but we just might be watching the bill fall apart before our eyes...

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[We need push, now.]


"OPPOSE REID HEALTH 'CARE' BILL"


Whitehouse: mailto:president@whitehouse.gov
YOUR Senator: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
YOUR Congressman: https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml

or: Speed Message them with your personal distribution list...
and as always, pass it on...
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Slandering the CIA

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Liz Cheney, the daughter of the former vice president, said Sunday that President Barack Obama is “slandering” the CIA in speeches on foreign soil. Cheney, speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” gave a qualified endorsement of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech, but said there were segments with which she staunchly disagreed. “As we see this president repeatedly go onto foreign soil and accuse America of having tortured people,

“As we see this president repeatedly go onto foreign soil and accuse America of having tortured people [and] talk about Guantanamo Bay as an abandonment of our ideals, that part of the speech, to me, is really — is nothing short of shameful,”

“And it’s not just an attack on political opponents, it really is casting apersions and, I would say, slandering the men and women in the CIA who carried out key programs that kept us safe,”

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NBC: 'It's About Time Somebody' Prosecuted Bush Officials for Torture

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Playing out a liberal dream of vengeance, the season premiere of NBC's Law & Order delivered a plot in which the local Manhattan district attorney prosecuted a former Justice Department lawyer for “depraved indifference murder” based on the fact an Abu Ghraib prisoner died in the custody of soldiers who were following the lawyer's memo on the techniques which could be used on suspected terrorists.



An astonished “Executive Assistant DA Michael Cutter,” played by Linus Roache, asks:

“Jack, you want to prosecute a member of the Bush administration for assaulting suspected terrorists?” To which, a cocksure “McCoy” declares: “The word is torturing. And, yes, it's about time somebody did.”

Predictably, By the end of the episode, “McCoy” has added former Vice President Cheney and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to his indictment.

[What politics in TV?]

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Woman stabbed by Palestinian in W. Bank

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A 22-year-old Israeli woman was in light-to-moderate condition after being wounded overnight Saturday when a Palestinian terrorist exited a taxi and stabbed her in the back at a bus stop at the Gush Etzion junction. (Snip) Security forces set up roadblocks and scoured the area for the perpetrator, who was seen fleeing the scene on foot.

Meanwhile, two Kassam rockets were fired at Israel by terrorists in Gaza...

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Iran's Ahmadinejad promises Hamas continued support against Israel

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Tehran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday promised the Palestinian militant group Hamas continued support in their fight against Israel, state television reported. In a meeting with visiting Hamas politburo head Khaled Meshaal, Ahmadinejad said that Iran would constantly stand besides the Palestinian nation until what he called 'imminent collapse of the Zionist regime (Israel).'

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Our New Ruling Elite - Civil Servants

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The number of federal workers earning six-figure salaries has exploded during the recession, according to a USA TODAY analysis of federal salary data.

Federal employees making salaries of $100,000 or more jumped from 14% to 19% of civil servants during the recession's first 18 months — and that's before overtime pay and bonuses are counted.

Federal workers are enjoying an extraordinary boom time — in pay and hiring — during a recession that has cost 7.3 million jobs in the private sector.

When the recession started, the Transportation Department had only one person earning a salary of $170,000 or more. Eighteen months later, 1,690 employees had salaries above $170,000...

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The Big Labor Takeover of Big Government

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As we reported last week, 2009 will mark the first time ever in American history that the majority of union members work for federal, state, or local governments. The percentage shift has been staggering. In 1973 only 17.3% of union members worked for government. Today that number is 51.2%.

When unions depended on steel plants, coal mines, and automobile factories for their livelihood there was at least a chance that they would support some pro-growth public policies. But now that unions are dependent on the government, and not the private sector, for their membership dues pro-growth policies are not a priority at all. Hence the Big Labor/enviro alliance behind carbon cap and trade tax programs.

Worse, unions now have every incentive to grow government at the expense of taxpayers and private sector jobs. Manhattan Institute senior fellow Steven Malanga explains:

"In the private sector … employers who are too generous with pay and benefits will be punished. In the public sector, however, more union members means more voters. And more voters means more dollars for political campaigns to elect sympathetic politicians who will enact higher taxes to foot the bill for the upward arc of government spending on workers..."

Big Labor has already bankrupted our nation’s once great auto industry. But who will Big Labor turn to when Big Government has bankrupted us?

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Big Labor and Big Government Are Officially the Same Thing

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Who do the words “union members” bring to mind? United Auto Workers building cars in Detroit? Teamsters truckers hauling freight? Steel workers in Pennsylvania?

Not any more. Newly released numbers show that the actual face of today’s union movement is the teller at your local Department of Motorized Vehicles.

Preliminary estimates of union membership this year show that most union members now work for the government... [snip]


This is not your father’s labor movement. Unions today want higher taxes and bigger government because they are the government.

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Ban government employee unions

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"Their pay is funded through your tax dollars," ... "For government employee union members to get more, your taxes need to go up. So that is what unions now lobby for."

And as with so much else in this country, Sherk cautions that what is happening on the West Coast is likely a portent of disturbing things to come for the rest of us... [snip]

These actions point to the hard reality that the interests of government employee unions are fundamentally opposed to the interests of taxpayers.

These diverging interests are perfectly illustrated at the federal level by the political endorsements of the American Federation of Government Employees, which actively backed Barack Obama. For his part, the president is now pushing federal spending to unprecedented heights while expanding the federal work force and working with Congress to raise taxes. Between elections, AFGE, along with other federal employee unions like the National Treasury Employees Union and the National Federation of Federal Employees, constantly lobby Congress against any proposal to rein in the spiraling compensation costs of the federal civil service.

Hard-pressed taxpayers shouldn't have to fight tax-happy congressmen and greedy government worker unions at the same time. Public service employees should be forced to bargain as 92.7 percent of the work force does...




[This situation is dire. Consider: once those receiving benefits from the government and those working for it - all dependent on it - exceed those paying for it, what chance any fiscal responsibility in a democracy?

A: None. We'll have a permanent majority simply taking by force all it wants until it destroys its host {as has been the case throughout socialistic history}.

We're on that brink now - and socialized medicine would easily result in a majority-dependent situation (patients and health-care system workers) - hence the Democrat push at all costs: because once enacted...]

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And nowhere worse than California...

CA Governor: http://gov.ca.gov/interact mailto:governor@governor.ca.gov
Phone: 916-445-2841

CA State Legislature = http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html

CA Senate Email list pg. http://www.sen.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senemail.htp

Karen Bass - Assy. Speaker http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a47/AD47MailForm.aspx (916) 319-2047

Barbara Boxer web mail http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm?CFID=9716973&CFTOKEN=89336911

Dianne Feinstein webmail http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUs.EmailMe
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"Surprise" visit to Conan O'Brien show last night is great, good fun.




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Al Sharpton Blasts Tiger Woods for Lack of Mistress Diversity
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The Rev. Al Sharpton held a press conference today to blast Tiger Woods for the lack of diversity among his mistresses. Sharpton claims that the lack of African-American women among Woods’ harem will have a negative affect on the black community, specifically young black girls.

“Why is it that a man who calls himself black can’t bring himself to cheat on his wife with a black woman?” said Sharpton, speaking to a group of supporters in Harlem. “What does it say to young black girls everywhere when you pass them over? Shame on you, Tiger Woods. What would your daddy say?”

Sharpton, who has long championed taking black women as mistresses, said that today’s black athletes need to stop neglecting black women when it comes to extramarital affairs, and should follow the examples of positive black role models such as Jesse Jackson and Martin Luther King, Jr., both of whom cheated on their wives with black women. Sharpton also stressed that cheating with African-American women would help the black community financially by giving black girls the chance to sell their stories to tabloids and gossip magazines.

Added Sharpton, “I’m not asking you to not cheat on your wives, I’m just asking you to give back to your own community.”
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Friday, December 11, 2009



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ClimateGate 'An Inconvenient Scandal' Which 'Threatens to Crumble' Global Warming Consensus

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ABC and CBS discounted the scientific relevance of the admissions and obfuscations displayed in the ClimateGate e-mails, but on Wednesday night they finally devoted full stories to the controversy and quoted the “most-damning” of the e-mails, the ones referring to a “trick” to “hide the decline” in a temperature measurement and in which a scientist fretted “we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we can't.”

The two networks, however, painted the “stolen” [but we've know they were 'leaked' from within for days] e-mails not as laudatory whistle-blowing, but as an unwanted impediment to the left's global warming agenda. “Just as the world seems finally poised to do something about global warming, an inconvenient scandal,” ABC's David Wright began in playing off the title of Al Gore's movie. He despaired that “as the controversy heats up, the consensus about making the tough choices to curb carbon emissions threatens to crumble.”

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Al Gore Calls Sarah Palin A 'Global Warming Denier'

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[Whereas he should be referred to as a 'Global Warming Deceiver']

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FNC's Wallace: 'Denier' Label Ascribes 'Religious Certainty' to Global Warming

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Chris Wallace, host of "Fox News Sunday" is the latest in a long line of observers to note the essentially religious fervor of those who believe man is responsible for global warming, and the blind faith with which they cling to the science behind it.



Wallace, appearing on the Fox Business Network's Dec. 10 "Imus in the Morning" program to discuss the President's European trip with stops in Oslo and Copenhagen, said the religious conviction is evident in the way climate change alarmists treat those who challenge the theory by calling the 'deniers'...

[I.e., 'deceivers'.]

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Sarah Palin Says Critics Of Her WaPo Op-ed 'Got All Wee-Wee'd Up'

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Showing the sense of humor millions of Americans fell in love with last year, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said Thursday that critics of her previous day's op-ed in the Washington Post "kind of got all wee-wee'd up about it and wanted to call me and others deniers."

Palin, chatting with conservative talk radio host Laura Ingraham, was obviously making reference to a comment President Obama made over the summer.

According to Palin, who might have been referring to comments from folks like MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Andrea Mitchell, and Keith Olbermann, such was the reaction to her published views on global warming and the United Nations climate change conference currently taking place in Copenhagen...

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The Unmasking of Barack Obama

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The overseas reviews for President Obama’s foreign policy are starting to pour in — and they’re not favorable. Bob Ainsworth, the British defense secretary, has blamed Obama for the decline in British public support for the war in Afghanistan...

The President is “Obama the Impotent”...

[The consequence of having political expediency as your only guiding principle.]


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Obama's surrender will end in blood

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They say that the U.S. Military Academy at West Point was an odd venue for President Obama's Afghanistan speech. And indeed it was - after all, surrenders are usually offered to the enemy on the battlefield. For that is exactly what the President proposed Tuesday night; surrender, abject and total.

The end result of Obama's surge-then-surrender strategy is not hard to foresee. The Taliban will wait us out, then move in and butcher whichever poor Afghans were foolish enough to cast their lot with the United States. Girls and women will be re-enslaved; al-Qaeda fighters will flood in, confident that no matter how hard they hit us, we will never have the will to finish them off.

Having re-taken Afghanistan, they will plot their return to America, to once again paint our skies in fire and blood.

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War on Terror backdrop to James Cameron's Avatar

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YEARS have passed and superstar reputations burnt in the wait for a hit film about the War on Terror. Nobody imagined that that film might turn out to be Avatar.

James Cameron's 3-D science fiction film is imbued with heavy implicit criticism of America's conduct in the War on Terror...

"We went down a path that cost several hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. I don't think the American people even know why it was done. So it's all about opening your eyes."

[Another movie I can't {and won't} see on principle {and would ask likewise of those of you with}. When will these idiots learn that when they insert their politics into entertainment we insert ours into our entertainment choices?]

Astring of films about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have flopped at the box office in the past two years, including the Reese Witherspoon vehicle Rendition and Lions for Lambs, which starred Tom Cruise, Robert Redford and Meryl Streep...

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House Democrats pass [ANOTHER] $447B omnibus

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House Democrats passed a massive $447 billion appropriations conference report Thursday to fund a host of different government agencies in fiscal 2010. The conference report, approved on a 221-202 vote, was supported by Democrats only but had bipartisan opposition in 28 Democrats who joined all Republicans...



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Dems to lift debt ceiling by $1.8 trillion

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Democrats are preparing to raise the federal debt ceiling by as much as $1.8 trillion before New Year’s rather than have to face the issue again prior to the 2010 elections.


''We’ve incurred this debt. We have to pay our bills,''*


House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told Politico Wednesday. And the Maryland Democrat confirmed that the anticipated increase could be as high as $1.8 trillion — nearly twice what had been assumed in last spring’s budget resolution for the 2010 fiscal year...

[In the wise words of Chief Buffalochip: "What's this 'we' shit white man?"]

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Reality Check...

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"Because of its repeated efforts to stimulate the economy through fiscal policy, Japan now faces a serious debt problem (Japan's debt-to-GDP ratio has nearly doubled in the last decade, rising from 0.58 in 1991 to 1.1 in 2000)."

Robert H. Rasche and Daniel L. Thorton of the
Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, written in 2001.


Long-Term US Federal Debt Projections ("Alternative" policy being more likely)



Source: General Accounting Office.


Percentage growth in real (inflation adjusted) GDP per capita from 1991 to 2000

  • In South Korea: 52%.
  • In the US: 24%.
  • In France: 16%.
  • In Japan: 7%.

Source: Computed from US Statistical Abstract, Table 1306
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Baucus: OK, Obamacare is $2.5 trillion

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Democratic Senator Max Baucus admitted that the $1 trillion-over-10-years figure for Obamacare is not realistic. The actual figure is $2.5 trillion — 2 1/2 times as much. To reach the phony figure, Democrats added 4 years of taxation with 6 years of Obamacare, which greatly reduced the actual cost as the reserve that was built up is spent...

[Its never had anything to do with health 'care'.]

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Microsoft to buy Sentillion for health care software

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Microsoft is adding another player to its portfolio of health care offerings. The software powerhouse said Thursday that it plans to buy Sentillion, a privately held company that supplies software to health care professionals. Microsoft hopes to combine Sentillion's technologies with its own Amalga Unified Intelligence System (UIS). The goal is to offer integrated technology that can help health care providers more easily access patient data from across multiple sources...

[Oh Lord - our health records could be on a Microsoft system...?]



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Adaptive liberal hypocrisy

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In recent weeks we have witnessed liberals in the highest level of government sanctimoniously defend terrorists who kill us, while persecuting those who defend us from murderous attacks. In an effort to understand this reversal of good and evil, it has become a cliché to call liberals crazy.

But while supremely hypocritical, liberalism is not insane. It is a highly adaptive ego device that enables people to violate commitments, vilify those who are true to their faith, and avoid personal sacrifice while feeling great about themselves. The only defense against hypocrisy is self-knowledge; the politics, spirituality, and morality of liberalism are well-constructed firmaments of self-delusion... [snip]

The anti-American statements and policies of the Obama administration are sacraments of two generations of ascendant egocentrism in our country. The ego is loath to admit, "I don't want to get my behind shot off in some war." No problem. Liberal academia has given us 50 years of indoctrination in the many reasons America is not worth it.

And here's some good ego-logic: The reality that "it takes too much courage to knowingly bring a Down Syndrome child into the world" becomes "Sarah Palin is confused and slutty." Eric Holder calls the American people cowards and then casts self-confessed terrorist murderers as civil rights victims. Khalid Sheik Mohammed becomes the new Rosa Parks.

But none of this is crazy. It is adaptive.

For example, in the case of Mr. Holder, his deference to admitted terrorists is an ingenious, though probably mostly unconscious, ego-projection of himself as a civil rights hero while he breaks his oath to defend the Constitution from foreign enemies.

The notion, now commonly posited in liberal media, that the Fort Hood terrorist Major Hassan is mentally ill, is another unconscious capitulation to egocentrism. It is the worst form of hypocrisy to make excuses for somebody who takes all of the benefits of military service and then murders his defenseless fellow soldiers.

Liberal hypocrisy is not insanity, it is pretersanity, a powerful tactic of self-absolution, a way to become rich, admired, and powerful while supposedly "fighting for the little guy," or to exhort others to self-sacrifice while making none yourself...

[Recommended > ]

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Get Your Race-Based Holiday Shopping Done at NYTimes.com

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The New York Times '09 Holiday Gift Guide page has some intriguing suggestions.

There's the "Holiday Books Guide," the "Personal Tech Holiday Gift Guide," the guide for people of color...

Wait. A separate gift page for people of color? Yes. The NYT Picker blog noticed the Times has a special gift section for 'non-whites':

We don't like to throw around words like "racist" in the same sentence as the NYT's name, but there's no other word we can think of to describe this page in the NYT's annual Holiday Gift Guide -- called "Of Color/Stylish Gifts" and aimed exclusively at the paper's non-white readers.

Or, as the NYT describes it, "gifts created for and by people of color"....it's the first time we can remember a gift guide, anywhere, openly defining its offerings by their appeal to a specific racial group.
[Not to worry, it excludes whites. Now if they had a 'guide for white people'....]

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Public Services Post...

[of the partly-personal variety...]

FOR SALE – Great Car – $2900 obo - medium size project – not a lot needed to get in great shape.



1978 MGB Roadster – recently smogged – car runs great – spent $1500 on gen maintenance, replace hoses, plugs, leads, etc.



- Some Electric work – switches etc
- Some cosmetic work dashboard / paint
- Hard top & Soft top (frame) need refurbishing, tonneau cover OK.




Reply to: sale-5nagy-1504094912@craigslist.org
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